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Gutters: Hangers vs. Spikes

The down side of spikes (nail) are:

During installation the face of the gutter could get damaged while hammering in the spike.

Spikes often crack lumber during installation.

Spikes leave a 1/4" hole in the fascia.

Once spikes loosen it is difficult to reinstall the spike because the hole in the fascia will be larger than the spike.

The longer the gutter length the better chance of loosening and not holding well.

Spikes are not as strong as hangars.

Eventually the gutter will sag and loosen over time.

 

The benefits of using hangers:

Hangers do not leave large holes in the fascia

Hangers hold well because screws are used

Hangars are user friendly and easy to install

Hangers do not crack lumber

Hangers are easy to modify and make adjustments

Hangers leave a smooth finish to the gutter face

 

Helpful hints:

Hangers should be about 32" on center (apart).

There should be 3 screws in between hangers to offer more support.

5" gutter should use #8 stainless steel screws.

6" gutter should use #10 stainless steel screws.

Make sure your screws are stainless steel because galvanize screws will rust thru your gutter.

Gutter Material: Aluminum

Poor

Good

Excellent

.022 Thickness

X

.027 Thickness (Most commonly used.)

X

.032 Thickness

X

Downspout Material: Aluminum      
.019 Thickness (Most commonly used.) 2x3 and 3x4 downspout

X

.024 Thickness   3"x4" downspout more common but available in 2x3 also.

X

Hidden Hangers & Spikes: Aluminum      
Smooth spike or Striated spike

X

Spiral spike

X

Ring shank spike

X

Hidden hanger secured with nails.

X

Hidden hanger secured with a # 8 x 1 1/4" screw

X

Hidden hanger secured with a # 10 x 1 1/2" screw

X

Hidden Hangers & Spikes: Spacing      
36"

X

30"

X

24"

X

 

Gutter Slope:
Gutters need a 1" to 2" slope every 40 feet. NOTE: A gutter installed level will drain because water levels itself, however you will not have any water flow to clean the gutter yourself. Too much slope does not look good and you lose some of the gutters holding capacity.
   Example: A gutter sloping 3 1/2" in a run has lost 1/2 of its holding capacity, in a short heavy down pour the water at the high end of the gutter will be nearly to the bottom of the gutter and at the downspout end (Low end) the water will be overflowing the top of the gutter, Remember?, water levels itself.
    Summary: Try to strike a happy medium, some slope for cleaning but not too much.

Downspout capacity:
2x3 Downspout will drain 600 sq. ft of roof area.
3x4 Downspout will drain 1200 sq. ft. of roof area.


Gutter Capacity:
One foot of 5" K-Style gutter holds 1.2 gallons of water.
One foot of 6" K-Style gutter holds 2.0 gallons of water.

 

Gutter placed behind the drip edge.
This is a important part of installation on homes of 3/12 and 4/12 pitch roof. Water will suck back (capillary action) on the roofing material and run down the face board and behind the gutter causing damage to the fascia board over time.


Steeper sloped roofs do not have this problem and in some cases the singles may overhang the drip edge and droop down into the gutter thus eliminating the problem . Strip flashing must be used to bridge the gap between the drip edge and the back of the gutter if the gutter runs below the drip edge at the lower end of the gutter run.

gutter under drip edge

Good luck in getting a shoddy gutter company to come back and fix this problem, because it will require reinstalling the complete gutter system or installing flashing. So beware and insist that it be done!

Tree Debris problem:
Consider some kind of gutter guard. In most cases if you have your gutter installer install the gutter guard when he's there to install the gutter, they'll cut you a better deal.
Use 3x4 downspout.
DO NOT INSTALL PRODUCTS THAT FIT DOWN INTO THE GUTTER.
Install only Product that fit and install on top of the gutter.
Metal products will last longer than a Plastic product.
No rolled metal or plastic screens!

A brief comment about trying to clean your gutters from the ground. There are mechanical devices that do work. The water blasters are poor at best. Its very hard to clean something when you can't see what your doing. The next time you take your car to the car wash close your eyes when you wash it and see what it looks like when your finish. And O' yes don't forget the rain coat when you use the water blaster on your gutter because mother natures gravity is going to bring everything straight down on your head and pick a calm day or the window may have to be re-cleaned as well.

Screws & pop rivets
Screws: Stainless steel with painted heads- Excellent
             Zinc coated with paint heads Good
Pop rivets  Excellent.

 

 

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